Episode #202: Hocus Pocus – Consolation Rewatch


You’re listening to the A Stunning Mess podcast, your cozy consolation. This week we’re discussing among the finest Halloween motion pictures, Hocus Pocus, directed by Kenny Ortega and starring Bette Milder, Sarah Jessica Parker, and Kathy Najimy.

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Present Notes:

Decor inspiration (actually break this down) Something you’d use in your personal house? Cherished, hated, sturdy reactions and so forth…

Witches’ cottage – Iconic witches’ cottage

Max’s home – Steeple on high of home, combination of grownup and child vibe in Max’s room with nautical wallpaper and tie dye, and a lovely framed image of the skin of the home

Allison’s home – Historic Colonial home and really elegant

Satan home – Elsie’s favourite home within the film, she cherished the cardboard hearth and smoke in entrance yard

Remark under together with your favourite home from hocus Pocus

Different cozy inspiration (vogue, meals, drink or something?)-

The mother’s Madonna costume

All the things in regards to the witches – clothes, brooms, hair, make-up, faux tooth, and the best way they stroll

Hocus Pocus Merch

Fee the film from 0-5 black flame candles:

Emma – 6/5

Elsie – 5/5

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Episode 202 Transcript:

Elsie: You’re listening to The Stunning Mess Podcast, your cozy consolation hear. This week we’re discussing among the finest Halloween motion pictures, Hocus Pocus, directed by Kenny Ortega and starring Bette Midler, Sarah Jessica Parker, and Kathy Najimy. That is one in every of my favorites. 

Emma: I do know. I used to be like, is it too fundamental to do Hocus Pocus? But additionally ought to we do it yearly? Like that’s like my inner, , It’s too fundamental, but additionally we have now to. Completely. Yeah. Yeah. And I watched it simply on my own one night time, having fun with my life, loving it. So. Okay, earlier than we get began about Hocus Pocus although, we’re going to do a private opener. So, I informed Elsie, that is like my factor for the week. On Friday, as we speak is Wednesday as we’re recording. On Friday, Oscar goes to go on his first airplane experience, and I’m very enthusiastic about it. He’s solely two. I didn’t fly on an airplane till I used to be like 17. So, very totally different childhood. And he received’t bear in mind it, so it’s actually type of extra for me and Trey, however I’m very excited. I truly assume he’s going to do nice. We’re flying to Costa Rica. We’ve a household journey for 2 weeks, and I’m very, very enthusiastic about it. I feel he’s going to like the home we’re at. It has a pool. I feel he’s going to like going to the seashore. He loves a sandbox, so it’s like, right here’s a large sandbox. I feel he’s going to like that. I doubt he’ll get within the ocean. He may, like, let it contact his ft. He’s a really cautious man, so I’m actually not. apprehensive about any of that. I feel it’s going to be actually enjoyable. 

Elsie: So it’s his first time to a seashore? 

Emma: First time to a seashore, first time on a aircraft. Yeah, so first time overseas, he has his little child passport the place he’s like little child on this image. So I’m very enthusiastic about it. And I feel he’s going to do nice on the flights as a result of it’s type of early within the morning, which is like his finest time of day as a result of he’s simply had his night time of sleep. He actually simply likes observing, he’s a really observant child, and he simply stares at all the pieces. Like anytime we do one thing new, like the primary time we went to the dentist, he truly did nice as a result of I feel he’s similar to, that is new and I’m taking all of it in. So, that’s type of what I anticipate with the flights, however after all, I will even have his little backpack stuffed with Band-Aids and toys and little issues he’s by no means seen earlier than that I’m going to purchase at Greenback Tree the day earlier than. Additionally, we may have numerous Paw Patrol on our telephone and if all else fails, he can simply watch some Paw Patrol, which you don’t normally let him watch very a lot of that one as a result of it’s not that academic. So it’ll be an excellent one for him. 

Elsie: You seemed like a brilliant snob simply then. 

Emma: I’m normally like, Sesame Road or Daniel Tiger, what would you like? He’s like Paw Patrol. I’m like, ugh. Okay. So anyway, he’ll get as a lot Paw Patrol as he desires if issues go awry. However I feel it’s gonna be good. And on the best way house, it’s like the identical flights however within the night. So I type of assume that both he’ll sleep or we may have a bit meltdown. And the final flight, like from Houston to Springfield, I’m going to do it simply me and Oscar, as a result of Trey has some other place he must be. So I’m a bit nervous about that. However I additionally assume it’s very seemingly he’ll simply sleep on me the entire two-hour aircraft experience. So I’m type of hoping for that, but when it’s a meltdown, as soon as once more, we will probably be Paw Patrolling ourselves so far as that may take us. However I’m actually excited, although. I’ve a listing of, like, objectives for my life that’s on my bulletin board at house. I do know you’ve seen it. And one in every of them, as a result of I feel it is best to put work objectives and, like, life objectives as a result of I simply assume that’s more healthy. And one in every of my most important ones is I would like Oscar to have a wholesome childhood stuffed with journey. And I simply really feel like we’re doing it. We’re doing it. That is like an journey. He most likely received’t bear in mind it, however he’ll see the images rising up and it’s gonna be a extremely enjoyable journey for me. And I’m simply very enthusiastic about it. However as each father or mother is aware of, a visit with youngsters isn’t actually a trip. It’s a visit, however I’m viewing it that means. So I feel I’m in the appropriate mindset to have a profitable nice journey.

Elsie: Yeah, there are positively totally different definitions of trip after you develop into a father or mother, and it’s not the identical. My recommendation is type of like whenever you’re getting a tattoo. For me, personally, one of many lowest parenting factors of my life was in an airport. So, that most likely received’t occur. However, if it does, I feel that the perfect, healthiest strategy to get by it’s to simply, like, visualize your self tomorrow at house and understand that, like, this case, it’s solely a matter of time earlier than it’s over. 

Emma: It’s solely, it’s solely so many hours of individuals watching me angrily. Yeah. No, that received’t occur. 

Elsie: Persons are imply to folks on planes, they’re. Persons are impolite, and I feel it’s a tragic a part of humanity, however it’s true. 

Emma: Yeah, and I’ll say too, I feel it is best to attempt to be as type as you possibly can to individuals on planes with youngsters, particularly in case you discover that there’s a father or mother by themselves with a number of youngsters. Like simply, they’re doing their finest. Simply let it go. However I additionally, assume lots of people get numerous anxiousness once they fly, and to allow them to not be themselves and never be their finest selves. So if anybody’s impolite to me, that’s what I’m gonna say in my head. I’m like, you’re most likely anxious, in order that’s why you’re being a dick, and I don’t care. So, . As a result of I get anxious after I fly, so it’s okay. You’re not your finest model. You’ll most likely be extra beneficiant in case you weren’t on a aircraft and feeling… No matter you’re feeling as a result of who is aware of you by no means know what everybody else goes by.

Elsie: Effectively, I’m excited for you, and I hope that it goes completely and also you’re like I may do that each time.

Emma: And likewise we’re not essentially planning to take Oscar on like lengthy, these aren’t actually lengthy aircraft rides and I’m probably not planning to try this. I don’t really feel the parenting bravery to love to take my child to Europe proper now. Some individuals go for it and I’m like that’s nice. I’ve means an excessive amount of anxiousness. Like flying on a aircraft on my own, I get type of anxious. So me doing it with my son, I’m like, hey man, I’m simply gonna be type to myself and be like, I’m nervous about this and I’m simply gonna do my finest and I’m not gonna push myself farther than I really feel like I may do as a result of I simply don’t, I need to set myself up for parenting success as a lot as I can. And I don’t do this properly with journey. So I’m like, okay. You’re simply gonna ease into this and it’s gonna be high quality. And he can simply watch Paw Patrol and that’s high quality. If his day is Paw Patrol and that’s not my finest parenting day ever, that’s high quality, we’re simply gonna make it. So no matter. Yeah. Anyway, I really feel like PAW Patrol ought to pay us for a way a lot I speak about that present now. 

Elsie: You probably did give numerous identify recognition simply then. That’s humorous. I hate it too, by the best way, although, for the file. Okay, so describe the film we’re again on Hocus Pocus now describe the film for individuals who haven’t watched.

Emma: 300 years have handed for the reason that Sanderson sisters have been executed for training darkish witchcraft, returning to life because of a mixture of a spell spoken earlier than their demise and the unintentional actions of Max, the brand new child on the town, the sisters have however one night time to safe their persevering with existence. Yeah, for a Disney film, like, it is rather a lot a Disney film, clearly, and I’m certain all our listeners have seen this film as a result of it’s a basic. However it’s type of edgy, like, once they, like, present their ft after they’re executed by hanging, you’re like, whoa, Disney, whoa! 

Elsie: Yeah! I Would say, yeah, I wished to deal with like what age is that this for earlier than we get into it. Lots of people have messaged me that this yr and that is my very sturdy opinion. That is simply an opinion. However, okay, for my youngsters, I’ve a five-year-old who loves it and an eight-year-old who nonetheless thinks it’s too scary. So I feel that it’s completely case by case and there’s nothing in it. My opinion, once more, is there’s nothing in it you can’t attempt at any age, I most likely tried for the primary time once they have been toddlers nonetheless, simply to see if they might watch it or have an interest, they usually simply weren’t , , it takes a very long time earlier than youngsters are excited by something that’s not a cartoon. Yeah. I feel that it simply depends upon your child. Yeah, for adults, it’s positively, for certain, a child’s film. Like, there’s no world the place I may, like, get my husband to look at this with me for enjoyable. I watch it on a regular basis in my kitchen. 

Emma: Like one you possibly can have lots within the background. When you’ve seen it, like Harry Potter. 

Elsie: It’s an excellent background film for, like, in case you’re making, , cookies or in case you’re… 

Emma: Adorning, and also you’re like out and in of no matter room has your TV or no matter. Yeah. 

Elsie: I simply would hold it on a repeat. However I positively do assume it’s scary for some youngsters.

Emma: The witches are attempting to kill kids to assist them be younger and stay longer. So these are, these are fairly darkish issues. 

Elsie: And so they look scary. Like, Bette Midler’s character significantly is type of unhinged. 

Emma: Yeah, they provide her bizarre make-up. Her mouth particularly, seems to be loopy as a result of she has just like the bizarre Queen of Hearts lipstick. You know the way they might do it like that. She type of seems to be just like the Queen of Hearts now that I’m serious about it. Possibly they type of modeled it like Halloween Queen of Hearts or one thing. Anyway.

Elsie: She’s attractive. 

Emma: Yeah. She’s a queen. 

Elsie: Okay, so do you’ve gotten any reminiscences from whenever you first watched this film? So I feel this film got here out whereas we have been youngsters within the Nineteen Nineties. I don’t… 

Emma: Yeah, I feel it says within the trivia. 93. 

Elsie: Good. I don’t have a reminiscence of watching it as a toddler. I feel I had an consciousness of it, and , generally, like, of a film and you’ll’t bear in mind in case you watched it or not, however, like, a film like Hocus Pocus, you, like, type of get it. You understand what it’s gonna be, so it’s exhausting to know in case you watched it as a toddler or in case you simply noticed a business or one thing. Yeah, I positively watched it for the primary time in my 30s I feel that , like if you’re like a millennial lady on Instagram You might be very conscious of hocus pocus individuals similar to speak about it a lot. It’s part of yeah, just like the starter pack of being a millennial is watching hocus pocus each fall. So, I positively began watching it in my 30s yearly, after which for the reason that invention of Disney Plus, it’s like on on a regular basis, greater than lots. So I find it irresistible. I prefer to similar to hold it going. 

Emma: Yeah, identical. I don’t bear in mind watching it as a child, and I actually don’t assume I did. Like, I don’t actually have any reminiscences of it in any respect as a child both. You know the way generally you didn’t see a film, like, a giant one would have been like House Jam, which I did see as a child. Nevertheless it was in like numerous, I’m certain it was in like McDonald’s commercials or like, what I imply? Like, it was type of similar to in tradition. So even in case you didn’t see it, you most likely knew what House Jam was. I don’t really feel like this one was fairly as massive once we have been youngsters. So it wasn’t like in McDonald’s commercials or no matter. So I don’t actually bear in mind it. I don’t have any reminiscences of it as a child. So there isn’t a, like, nostalgia from childhood for it for me. However I really feel like whoever I watched it with was in my 30s, most likely early 30s. I really feel like that they had some childhood nostalgia with it. And in order that, like, made it type of enjoyable. As a result of I really feel like some individuals, have an analogous story about Harry Potter, the place they didn’t actually learn it as youngsters, or they didn’t watch the flicks popping out. However now, as soon as they get into it, particularly in case you discuss with somebody who has these childhood nostalgia, it type of, like, provides a degree. And you then simply get into it, after which rapidly it turns into nostalgic for you since you watch it for 2 or three years in a row. And that’s sufficient time for nostalgia for me. 

Elsie: That’s true, and, as a father or mother, I at all times say it’s your second childhood. I’ve skilled so many extra youngsters’ motion pictures and children’ reminiscences with my youngsters that now they’re my reminiscences they usually’re, like, my particular issues, too. As a mother, that’s, like, what it’s. 

Emma: That’s a part of the enjoyment, yeah, attending to redo childhood. I like, too, whenever you’re a child, you type of get, like, on a cycle as a result of, you want repetition, youngsters like repetition. Their brains are creating, and as a father or mother, you’re a bit extra like pushing them to have totally different favorites. So in that means, you get to expertise greater than you most likely did as a child since you wished the repetition as a result of your mind was creating. I don’t know if that is making sense, however I simply assume like, that if it have been as much as Oscar, he would watch the identical factor. At all times, however we attempt to push him a bit, what I imply? Or like let him attempt totally different meals, , similar to you’re making an attempt to present your child repetition in a great way, but additionally routine, I feel can be a greater strategy to say it. However then additionally prefer to push them to attempt issues. So anyway, let’s speak about decor.

Elsie: Okay, yeah, I like the decor on this film. I really feel like we’ve accomplished a few rewatches not too long ago the place it was just like the coziness wasn’t actually coming from the homes on this film. It is extremely visible. There’s numerous homes in it, which , we love the the film homes, one in every of our themes that we type of stick on and yeah I used to be like ranking every of them and I don’t assume there’s for me any homes on this film that aren’t a ten out of 10. I like all of them a lot. 

Emma: Yeah, and I really feel like a few of the motion pictures we watch you possibly can’t inform if it’s an actual home or a set that they’ve constructed or Like a mixture, , and this one it very a lot looks like units for probably the most half. There are some actual areas, exteriors particularly and I type of dig it. I really feel like it really works for like the child and Disney vibe that it’s and I just like the costumes that they do which aren’t tremendous lifelike However they’re very vibey and enjoyable. Prefer it simply looks like the right quantity of campy to me So it’s like I like that it sort of feels like units and also you get to get pleasure from them in that means Like a theater efficiency or, , no matter. So most likely my favourite although is The Witch’s Cottage, although normally I lean in the direction of film homes that I need to stay in or like beautify my home like, and I don’t essentially have something about The Witch’s Cottage that I need to stay in or beautify my home like, however it’s simply so good. It’s like in case you have been like, shut your eyes and movie a witch’s home. That’s what I’m picturing the Hocus Pocus cottage. So yeah, and the purple smoke that they’ve popping out of the cabin once they’re casting their spell to get youngsters. I don’t know. It’s simply so Disney and enjoyable. I find it irresistible. 

Elsie: Yeah. I find it irresistible too. Okay. The subsequent one I had down is Max’s home, which is, it’s like a white home with this little, like, I’m certain there’s like an architectural time period, however it seems to be type of like there’s a bit lighthouse piece popping out of the roof. So it’s like a bit small room you can climb up into with a ladder on the very high of the home and look out, and it’s a coastal home. So yeah, I’ve seen that. That’s positively an actual home in Salem, I feel, as a result of, individuals take photos in entrance of it. Yeah. Oh my god, I might take an image in entrance of that home so exhausting if I used to be there. 

Emma: Yeah, commerce with one other vacationer who’s doing the identical factor. Like, sure. Yeah, and the ladder to go up, I consider, is in Max’s room as a result of they type of present it at one level. And I additionally simply love Max’s room as a result of it has a mixture of like, this type of like basic trying nautical wallpaper with sailboats. It seems to be like one thing an grownup selected. However then he additionally has like this tie-dye, like he has a tie-dye shirt on once we first meet him and he additionally has like a tie-dye tapestry behind his drum set in his room. I simply really feel prefer it’s that blend of like whenever you’re a child and it’s like some issues seem like your dad and mom show you how to put your room collectively after which some issues is like, I purchased this a Sizzling Matter and hung it up and I’m enthusiastic about it, , and it’s like this mixture of issues. 

Elsie: My youngsters positively have that of their bedrooms. Just like the stuff you can inform I purchased versus the stuff you can inform is from Chuck E. Cheese. 

Emma: Yeah. Precisely, and it simply feels very actual in a means and I simply actually like that. I additionally like that they make him like, he has the drum set and he looks as if an entire individual to me. They actually made his character like an actual teenage boy or preteen boy. I’m unsure how previous he’s presupposed to be on this film. 

Elsie: I feel he’s presupposed to be an early excessive schooler, so a teen. 

Emma: It’s like 13, 14, one thing like that. He most likely says it within the film, however I can’t bear in mind. When she’s like asking him, Max, take me trick or treating. I really feel like he says, I’m too previous, however she’s like, you must take me. Anyway, however yeah, the home may be very cute. We don’t see a ton of different areas. I really feel like there’s one like candle trying chandelier like a candelabra kind chandelier, however they’re similar to transferring in, I do love this could be within the trivia However there’s an image of the skin of the home Inside the home and you’ll inform they’ve simply moved in so there’s no means they commissioned it. So in my thoughts, it’s like And I do know it’s fiction, however in my thoughts, once they purchased the home, the final house owners left this and it stays with the home. It’s like a chunk that stays. I’m like, I like that concept. Ought to I get a portray of my home, that’s basic trying, after which it stays with the home? I don’t know. I simply find it irresistible. That element is absolutely like cool. No matter set designer got here up with that. I’m like, find it irresistible. 

Elsie: It’s very cool. I would love, like to have a basic portray of my house, in my house. It’s like, it’s very cool. Okay, the following one I’ve is Allison’s home. So her home is sort of a very basic, historic house, colonial.

Emma: It seems to be type of like Father of the Bride a bit bit. Regardless that that’s Southern California.

Elsie: It seems to be like The Father of the Bride Home, and her dad and mom are having an grownup Halloween celebration, so it’s like very fancy, it’s very adorned, it’s very fancy, it’s positively probably the most, like, elegant inside that you just’ll see within the film. And I find it irresistible, yeah. Folks at all times say that they assume my home may look a bit bit like that, which I like as a result of it’s like, it’s an excellent praise. And, yeah, I want that they might have proven extra of it as a result of I really feel such as you largely simply see the entryway and perhaps one room. 

Emma: Yeah, I feel they go up the steps for a minute, so that you type of see just like the banisters, or perhaps she comes down the steps.

I’m making an attempt to recollect. However yeah, you don’t see very a lot of the home, however what you do see does really feel prefer it’s adorned fancy for like a interval piece-type Halloween celebration, however it additionally looks like a fancier home, like higher center class with previous wooden, like very New England, I don’t know, vibes.

Elsie: Her gown is type of like, I don’t know, like a elaborate gown you’d put on in Little Girls to love one of many balls or one thing, so. 

Emma: Yeah, it seems to be like Delight and Prejudice to me, one thing like that. 

Elsie: Yeah, okay, so I’ve a pair extra. Clearly, I like the graveyard. I feel it’s good and like film graveyards are, I feel, objectively higher than actual graveyards. they’re simply extra detailed and extra wealthy and actual graveyards, they seem like new. 

Emma: They give the impression of being new they usually are also extra… They’re not as enjoyable, and I feel that’s on objective, they’re a spot you go to go to a lifeless relative. And so, I don’t know if they need to be wacky and foolish, , however in motion pictures, they’ll type of take extra license as a result of it’s not truly anybody’s relative, I assume. So, yeah. So it tends to be extra vibes. 

Elsie: So my favourite a part of the film is that they go trick or treating, so that you type of get to see an entire neighborhood of homes, one after one other, and the children in costumes. So cute. And my private favourite house within the film is the satan’s home! Let’s discuss in regards to the satan’s home for a minute. The within, not a lot. The skin is the place it’s at. So, whenever you watch the film subsequent time, discover once they get to the satan’s home it’s a devil-themed yard and what he has is a ton of what seems to be like cardboard cutouts of flames, crimson flames in all places, and numerous faux smoke. Pitchforks and it like brings me a lot odd pleasure after I see them. One of many issues I like about Halloween is you can make one thing that like some individuals assume is significantly scary into like a humorous. 

Emma: Oh, yeah. It’s very irreverent. 

Elsie: Sure, that makes me glad.

Emma: Sure. I feel, too, it’s a chance for us to discover our fears, ? So, in case you’re afraid of hell, otherwise you’re afraid of dying, otherwise you’re, , I feel we’re all type of afraid of dying as a result of it means life will probably be over. And yeah, I feel that’s a part of it, too, is we will type of face this stuff which are, which are scary, however we will do it in a little bit of humor. So anything in regards to the Halloween scenes? Oh, one in every of my favourite elements from them trick or treating is there’s this one second, I feel it’s proper as they begin trick or treating, the place a rainbow-looking skeleton simply pops up. Form of like the best way they begin the scene, the place they transition. You understand, and it’s simply humorous as a result of I’m, I’ve a bunch of skeletons. I’ve by no means painted one rainbow. It has like face paint on or cranium paint. I assume it wouldn’t be face paint. I don’t know. And it’s simply very humorous. And I simply love all of the little child’s outfits too, like all of the costumes I actually really feel like this might need been for funds causes or it might need been on objective. I don’t know. However a few of them very a lot seem like Halloween costumes that you just simply purchased at Walmart or purchased wherever, , Goal, no matter, Kmart. I don’t know. And so it simply feels extra actual. It looks like precise youngsters trick or treating. It doesn’t really feel too good. It does really feel like a film the place it’s like, wow, this neighborhood actually goes for it. However I’ve seen neighborhoods like that, so it doesn’t completely appear unrealistic to me. So anyway, it’s nice, that’s most likely a few of my favourite scenes within the film are once they’re trick or treating as a result of it simply is the vibes of the season.

Elsie: I feel that in case you watched it 100 occasions, you possibly can most likely discover a hundred totally different little particulars that you just had by no means observed earlier than. Which is a good factor for a film that’s on the re-watch record. 

Emma: It’s true. I’m making an attempt to consider every other cozy inspiration that we like. The cat? Oh, I like the speaking cat.

Elsie: The speaking cat is humorous. No, I used to be going to say there’s just like the Metropolis Corridor Halloween celebration with the adults, and the mother has a tremendous Madonna costume. And I like that they present the dad and mom drunk. I feel that like, I don’t know, there are particular issues from Like older motion pictures that they simply, like, don’t do or present anymore. Like, the tone of latest youngsters’ motion pictures and the tone of children’ motion pictures from the 80s and 90s may be very totally different. In case you have, like, watched numerous them, like, for instance, in House Alone, , the well-known scene the place he, like, borderline curses out the little youngster. That type of factor is in like each previous film, and nearly by no means in a more moderen one. Anyway, I appreciated that they confirmed the dad and mom drunk as a result of in the event that they have been at an grownup celebration, that’s how it could be! And it was like Halloween, and it, like, type of, like, I don’t know, it had a vibe to me. I appreciated it. I appreciated that they confirmed them popping out within the morning when it was nearly daylight, like, popping out of the celebration all, sweaty and gross. I assumed it was cute. 

Emma: As a result of they’ve been underneath the spell of dancing until you die. So there’s that, too. Yeah, I feel once they, like, get there and he’s like, Hey, Dad and the dad’s clearly, like, having a pleasant time, perhaps a bit buzzed. I assume it’s a bit exhausting to inform, however to me, he appeared like he’s taking part in it, I’m a bit buzzed. He’s like, Hey, Max. How are you doing? After which he’s like, One thing’s incorrect. He’s like, Oh, no. The place’s your sister? Like, it’s like a type of, like, I’m like, I perceive that parenting second. We have been like, I’m simply hanging out. I’m off responsibility parenting, after which rapidly you hear one thing and also you’re like, wait a second, do I must be like again on, , like that type of panic second?

Elsie: If my youngsters have like a tiny little, I’m like, are you okay? Yeah. 

Emma: Ought to I take some water in there? Yeah. You’re like relax. Yeah. Off-duty father or mother switches on to on-duty. I’m like, I do know that feeling and that’s actually cute. I really feel just like the actor did a pleasant, it’s only a good little second to me.

Elsie: It’s good. It has aged very properly. I can’t consider something within the film, we normally say if there’s one thing within the film that was like, Actually dangerous, no? And I can’t consider something. 

Emma: No, I imply, you must know in regards to the dying they usually’re making an attempt to kill youngsters. You understand, there’s some issues like that for little youngsters. Yeah. You must know that. There’s additionally some extent the place they burn them within the pottery room, like, within the kiln. Yeah. That’s superior. Nice concept. However, like, , additionally, like, , in case you’re exhibiting it to your little child, you may need to know that that’s a part of the film. 

Elsie: I feel I’m gonna get at the very least, like, one hate mail about how, like, this film isn’t okay for teenagers, however it’s on Disney Plus, and it’s a child’s film. So, I simply assume everybody, like, , kind your personal selections. 

Emma: I don’t know why you’d ship the hate mail to us. What am I going to do? You must ship it to Disney. I don’t know. Apparently in 1993. 

Elsie: As a result of I’m endorsing that my five-year-old likes it or no matter, however I’m not, I don’t know, no matter.

Emma: That’s as a result of Goldie’s hardcore. 

Elsie: She loves it. I can inform she likes the concept she’s not scared. 

Emma: Yeah, she’s like, I’m robust. Yeah. That is a part of my model. You’re like, okay. That’s nice, Goldie. We help you. Sure. Sure. Yeah. 

Elsie: I don’t know. I’ll say I don’t actually assume hardly any horror motion pictures are scary, like, for me. Like, I don’t know. Some persons are actually, actually delicate to them, however I don’t even know why we’re having this dialog as a result of this can be a child’s film, so.

Emma: This isn’t a horror film. No. No. 

Elsie: It’s not. No. Okay, so ought to we do some trivia? Is there anything earlier than we leap into that? 

Emma: No, I imply, the one factor I might level out is how iconic the witch’s outfits are as a result of so many individuals put on them as costumes. Like, they’re iconic. 

Elsie: They’re clothes, they’re costumes, they’re brooms. Considered one of them has a vacuum that she switches to. 

Emma: Yeah, they lose their brooms, so that they have to seek out new ones. 

Elsie: The hair, the make-up, the faux tooth, all of it. 

Emma: The stroll that they do, that’s like all three collectively, , it’s a extremely, like, vibe. I actually really feel like these three actresses, they like, actually went for it in a means that I simply love. I additionally assume that Sarah Jessica Parker is a extremely totally different position for her than most different motion pictures I’ve seen her in. She’s normally taking part in extra of a like, subtle, impartial lady who’s like, , doing one thing like she’s in a rom-com or she’s in Intercourse and the Metropolis or no matter. And this one, she’s very, , witchy and she or he’s meant to be type of the dumb blonde of the group or one thing.

Elsie: She’s like, very spaced out and she or he’s additionally very like, flirtatious. 

Emma: Yeah, yeah. So it’s simply humorous. It’s a really bizarre character and she or he simply makes it actually enjoyable and actually commits they usually all do. And it’s very enjoyable and vibey and campy. 

Elsie: I like them. I like the songs. I will even defend Hocus Pocus 2. Is it pretty much as good as Hocus Pocus 1? No. It’s by no means gonna be. No, it was by no means gonna be. They’re additionally making Hocus Pocus 3, so little shout-out for KJP. Each single time that they begin filming in Salem, he like someway will get drone pictures of it and stuff and posts it and it’s all stunning, , his means. Yeah, that’s how I discovered about that.

Emma: He’s their advertising and marketing division. 

Elsie: He type of is, and he’s doing an excellent job. So, yeah, I can’t wait. It’ll most likely come out subsequent Halloween, however I’ll rewatch the primary one probably the most. It’s type of like House Alone for me. I’ll at all times love the primary one probably the most, however I feel that the opposite ones, like, I’ll even simply, like, converse forward for Hocus Pocus 3, although it’s not out but. I do know it’s gonna be good, and I do know I’m gonna stand behind it.

Emma: I actually appreciated the second Hocus Pocus. Yeah. I don’t know if I might say I prefer it extra. As a result of I don’t actually really feel the necessity to decide a favourite. However I actually appreciated it, and I used to be very glad to have one other model, like one other piece of this franchise. So, I don’t know. I don’t know if anybody else felt that means. Possibly I’m the one one on this planet. However I used to be like, I assumed it was simply pretty much as good, simply totally different. Like, it’s a unique story, they usually’re doing a unique factor. However, yeah, I cherished it. I assumed it was nice. 

Elsie: Effectively, and I feel after that a lot time passing, it’s fairly uncommon for all of the actors to be prepared and capable of take part once more. So it’s like actually cool. It’s very particular. 

Emma: Possibly I had my expectations in the appropriate place. Possibly, as a result of it isn’t actually a chunk of childhood nostalgia for me, so there wasn’t something that they may mess up. However yeah, so I cherished Hocus Pocus 2. I feel it’s nice. I’m trying ahead to a 3rd one However I don’t actually anticipate it to be higher I don’t actually really feel I simply so , I’m to have extra of the franchise. Why not? I like witches It’s enjoyable. 

Elsie: Yeah. So, ship us messages about what your favourite film home is from Hocus Pocus, and each time you see the satan home, consider me. That’s how I need to be remembered. 

Emma: You will be the satan within the scene and I’ll be the spouse who’s like, the celebration’s over. Get out of my home. Like, she’s acquired the curlers in her hair. She’s not even carrying a dressing up. No, she’s clearly been in mattress and she or he’s like, what’s this racket? Get out. You understand, it’s nonetheless Halloween. Like, youngsters are out trick or treating. Yeah. I cherished it very a lot. Yeah, it’s an excellent, yeah. All proper, let’s do some trivia. All proper, I’ll learn the primary one. The actor who performed Billy wore a mouth rig, which is a latex pocket hooked up to dentures that blocked off his throat to make the moths come out. I do know it appears like It’s very cool. Form of a stunt, actually. So there was a small gap within the very again of the pocket in order that he may cough some air into it. That doesn’t sound like respiration. It appears like coughing some air into it. An animal wrangler would place a number of moths within the pocket with tweezers after which the stitches can be glued shut and they’d attempt to get the shot as quick as potential. The entire, that complete factor appears like drowning however not in water and I’m like, oh, that actor. 

Elsie: That is like, my complete coronary heart is like motion pictures earlier than particular results and the way they achieved sure issues. I like this, I find it irresistible. And I feel it’s so cool that they used actual moths and that they, , created this complete little system inside his mouth and he did that again and again for the film. I feel it’s very cool, and I’m certain now most likely they want CGI these little moths in there. 

Emma: I might hope. That will be safer. However, yeah, that’s a dedication for certain. 

Elsie: It’s magical. Okay, the movie was launched in July 1993 to reap the benefits of kids being off from faculty through the summer time. Okay, loopy like, that doesn’t make sense to me in any respect that you’d launch this film in the summertime when it’s a full-on Halloween film. Like, I feel September 1st is absolutely the soonest day. 

Emma: It’s, yeah. However there additionally, learn the following half. 

Elsie: Avoiding competitors with The Nightmare Earlier than Christmas, Disney’s different Halloween film, which was launched that yr, which I’ll say is far more well-known, or was within the 90s, far more well-known than this film, in order that sucks to be them. That was like a scheduling error for certain. 

Emma: Effectively, I feel, too, it’s a type of moments the place, what in case you have been like, Uh oh, we have now two Halloween hits. We really feel like these are each hits, however we will’t actually put them out on the identical time, as a result of if we did, one’s going to get overshadowed. I’m like, what else would you do however launch one in the summertime? However it’s wild to consider this film popping out in July, as a result of I’m like, I like Halloween, however I’m like, who desires to look at a Halloween film in July? I’m like, I don’t know. Possibly if I had a down week. Nevertheless it’s simply wild. 

Elsie: Okay, as a result of it wouldn’t nonetheless be within the theaters at Halloween, so by no means in a single million years would I feel that that will create success for it, and it type of is sensible why it acquired overshadowed by the opposite film.

Emma: Yeah, and I’m certain there’s extra to the story than what we have now in entrance of us, however I do surprise if Their technique was like, we’re not going to make the cash within the theaters. We’re going to make the cash on TV, just like the syndication or the reruns or no matter the appropriate time period is. I don’t know. I’m not a film government.

Elsie: Effectively, that’s been true for certain. 

Emma: Yeah. So surprise in the event that they have been like, right here’s our technique. We’ve acquired to get it out earlier than Nightmare Earlier than Christmas after which hopefully individuals prefer it sufficient that they’ll simply rewatch it on their TVs come Halloween they usually’ll go to the movie show for Nightmare Earlier than Christmas and we will simply type of double dip on the cash as finest we will. I don’t know. 

Elsie: I’ll say, I like Nightmare Earlier than Christmas. It’s one in every of my favourite kids’s Halloween motion pictures and we most likely won’t ever do an episode for it. So, I find it irresistible a lot. 

Emma: It’s excessive vibes, however it’s a bit sluggish. 

Elsie: It’s sluggish, however the songs are unimaginable. And that’s type of like what it’s all about. So, I like them. 

Emma: Yeah, and I imply the animation. It’s like precise clay, isn’t it? Anyway, we’re not doing that film proper now, so I’m gonna cease earlier than I’m like, let’s speak about that for quarter-hour. Okay, transferring on. Yeah. Okay, subsequent trivia. The story for Hocus Pocus took place after author David Kirschner invented a bedtime story for his youngsters. He later wrote the story up and submitted it to The Muppet Journal the place it gained recognition. Adore it a lot. Adore it a lot. Couldn’t find it irresistible extra. 

Elsie: That’s lovely. A sequel e-book launched in 2018 revealed Jay and Ernie’s Fates. Mm-hmm. So to begin with, like, was there a e-book within the first place? I’m confused. It was a narrative, then they did a e-book. 

Emma: Effectively, it says that he wrote it up. Okay. So perhaps, I don’t actually know. Yeah, that’s an excellent query. 

Elsie: They have been ultimately rescued and one boy went on to develop into the principal of the native highschool. Hmm. The opposite turned a park ranger in order that he may search and rescue ops with the aim of serving to misplaced entrapped individuals. I feel that’s actually candy. 

Emma: Yeah, it’s like they gave them a bit arc, too, as a result of they’re the bullies. And also you’re like, oh no, they’re not gonna accomplish that nice in life as a result of they’re simply these imply guys who decide on little youngsters and steal tennis footwear. However look what they did! They went on to be taught a lesson, I suppose, or one thing.

Elsie: Folks can change. 

Emma: Yeah, you do really feel dangerous that they get caught within the witch’s home. You assume somebody finds them, however yeah, it’s type of imply that they depart them. It’s like, hey man, I do know he stole your footwear, however you shouldn’t simply depart somebody deserted in a witch’s home. That’s not cool. Okay, do you know, Elsie, that Hocus Pocus was the primary Disney movie to make use of the phrase virgin? All of the issues on this film, to me, that’s just like the least edgy.

Elsie: I assumed it was a really cute a part of the film. And so they do say the phrase virgin so many occasions. So, good for them. It’s like in case you’re going to make use of a phrase that’s by no means been used earlier than, use it like forty occasions as a substitute of two.

Emma: And so they do use it like the right means It’s not that they dive into intercourse all that a lot on this film It’s a child’s film, however yeah And I additionally really feel like Max doesn’t actually act tremendous embarrassed that he’s a virgin like he very a lot was like, yeah And a virgin lit the candle if something he’s like, I’m sorry. I lit the candle. He’s not like I’m sorry for being a virgin I feel that’s additionally good, generally 90s motion pictures simply do bizarre issues with intercourse, and so I really feel like they deal with it prefer it’s good, prefer it’s like this regular factor and also you type of be taught the actual definition of it and it’s not like a giant deal for a child to be a virgin, it’s regular and good, . I’m like, that’s good, that appears regular. Yeah. Appears the appropriate transfer right here. This has to do together with your satan’s home. 

Elsie: Ooh hoo hoo! Gary and Penny Marshall play a disgruntled husband and spouse within the film. Oh, so that they’re the satan home husband and spouse. However they’re actually brother and sister. I like that.

Emma: I do know. It’s hilarious. And I’m like, yeah, that’s actually humorous and enjoyable. It could most likely be actually enjoyable to work together with your sibling, too, on a set. Even in case you’re taking part in husband and spouse. Which is bizarre, however it’s like they’re, like, having, like, a humorous little struggle. So it’s simply humorous. And, yeah, they do appear to have nice chemistry. So I’m like, oh, that is sensible that they, like, actually know one another. 

Elsie: I find it irresistible. I like that satan home. Okay, so ranking the film from 0 to five, black flame candles. 

Emma: Oh, 5 or 6. 

Elsie: Yeah, I imply, 5 for certain. To infinity and past.

Emma: Mistaken film, however sure. 

Elsie: It’s wonderful. Okay, in case you haven’t ever watched Hocus Pocus, it’s on Disney Plus I’m certain everybody on this planet has that.

Emma: It’s most likely on YouTube, too. 

Elsie: It’s most likely wherever else. Simply watch it. Simply open your coronary heart. And in case you’re like a brilliant snob like my husband, then, . 

Emma: You’re most likely not listening to this podcast. 

Elsie: Then simply watch it with a child. Yeah, watch it with a child. No, it’s enjoyable as a result of it’s magical. 

Emma: All proper, so now we’re going to have a joke or a truth or perhaps a meditation with Nova.

Elsie: All proper, we’re again with Nova. Nova, what do you’ve gotten ready for us this week? 

Nova: I’ve a meditation. 

Elsie: What sort of meditation? 

Nova: A spooky meditation because it’s getting near Halloween. 

Elsie: Good, okay. 

Nova: So shut your eyes and fake you’re trick or treating on Halloween. After which fake you come to a spooky home. Like a spooky fortress. You then stroll in, and you discover no one who’s alive is in there. However you discover a pleasant, very cute ghost, who will probably be your tour information. You undergo and see a pumpkin. He says hi there, and the way are you doing? Then, you undergo and see a witch. She makes some meals for you. As a result of you understand how witches make potions.

Elsie: Ought to we eat the meals?

Nova: Sure, as a result of she made it good. Okay. You ate it, and it was so scrumptious. Then, you go and see some bats. They are saying, how is the meals? And also you say, it’s good. Then, one in every of them swoops you up, and you then fly into the air on the moon. After which, come again to your own home. And, whenever you go, you bear in mind. You place one other pumpkin similar to it. You place a bat up. That represents a bat. You place a moon up. Represents a moon. And you set a ornament of a witch. Now your own home simply seems to be prefer it’s the spooky fortress. Proper there, so that you’ll at all times do not forget that. And perhaps, in case you go trick or treating once more in that lane, you possibly can go to them once more!

Elsie: Thanks, Nova. She is doing much more meditation now.

Emma: I like them. Each time I’m listening, I wait until I can shut my eyes and do her meditations and I like them. 

Elsie: Okay. We hope you loved this episode. We love doing consolation rewatches. It’s our favourite kind of episode to do. We will probably be again subsequent week with our Autumn Bucket Listing episode.

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